he has another heartland are, ba university of minnesota phd from the university of michigan, which is where you guys met. i just have to say that one of the reasons why i think that tom and norm for so much attention is because they have been spending their entire lives being so moderate and reasonable that when they get mad, they really must be something wrong. so why don't i go to norm and tom and then i will introduce susan and mickey edwards. it's a great honor to be your colleague. >> thank you so much. susan and mickey, i really appreciate your coming and all of you for participating in this event. norm and i have been friends and colleagues and collaborators for over 40 years. i know it shows on me. it doesn't show on him, but people often ask me when we collaborate, with the division of labor? finally i got a book cover that pretty much lays it out. i mean, you see the subtitle, how the constitutional system collided with the new politics of extremism. on the left is your constitution beige. a slightly worn. on the right is the harsh color inside extremism. orenstein is that t